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December 3, 2024 at 3:03 pm #295073
Nowt to apologize for when you put ‘Scunthorpe average attendance’ in the web it still comes up as 4040.
December 3, 2024 at 3:33 pm #295078Either way more fans will decide to stay away if this rubbish is carried on. Perfect time now to get rid as we have a good amount of time until the next match. Enough is enough now as it’s clear Butler is a lost cause.
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December 3, 2024 at 5:11 pm #295100You make it sound like you’re experienced in the football manager recruitment game. 11 days? Seriously doubt it. There’s a load of variables you’re not even considering. It’s not a game on a screen.
December 3, 2024 at 8:28 pm #295102Deerey not one of us know exactly who’s out there who will be more suitable to this club at this level, but I’m sure there’s many better than Butler. I think that’s fair to say.
I never said it would be easy to get somebody in, but with a gap between our next match this is our best chance.
Do you think that’s a fair assessment Deerey ?
December 3, 2024 at 9:32 pm #295103I think that’s a more reasoned post than your previous one. I don’t agree it’s the ‘perfect time’ though or that we ‘have a good amount of time’ with 11 days. Irrelevant anyway because it’s not happening. If it was going to, he’d have already been relieved of duties.
December 3, 2024 at 9:50 pm #295105Agreed. He’ll be given until New Year ..4 to 6 games. If we’re slipping down and supporters are increasingly vocal then he will be vulnerable. I believe there is plenty of talent in the squad. A crucial few weeks.
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December 3, 2024 at 10:03 pm #295106Delay til the New Year would finish off this season, once and for all – against a backcloth of plummeting gates.
The only thing that will/can change this is if the board tell AB and his chum to play four at the back – or else! (And he agrees or resigns in a sulk.)2 users thanked author for this post.
December 3, 2024 at 10:21 pm #295109December 4, 2024 at 5:58 am #295112reality is the players (Roberts apart & gone in Jan) and the management team are all average. Caused by years of poor leadership, management and poor signings. Just because we have the biggest crowd doesn’t entitle us to win. We need a way of using the crowd to our advantage not inspiring to the opponents. Sadly the dull crap Butler has decided on sends us to sleep or keeps us away. Hoping to get a 1-0 worked for Tamworth it doesn’t work for us. We need to impose a threat that teams cant stop and gets our crowd driving us forward. Teams are not scared of us, rightly so on Butlers current approach. Until he realises we wont defend ourselves out of the league we will be here next season.
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December 4, 2024 at 6:36 am #295114I don’t buy that they are all average/poor for this level, sorry not buying it. I will however say the balance of the squad is off a cliff and needs rectifying A.S.A.P
For instance a flat back four with denton and Barrows as full backs with boyce and Max isn’t bad, especially with fitz in goal.
a midfield 3 of Brogan, Beestin and Clunan isn’t poor at this level
A front 3 of Roberts one side, carlton the other with either whitehall or Beck through the middle isn’t bad.
The lack of balance throughout the squad doesn’t accommodate 4/4/2 formation but there are enough good players for this level to play an effective 4/3/3. The kicker is we need an experienced manager who knows what he’s doing to be able to mould them into a unit. As said above though, we’ll definitely need to sort out the squad balance as soon as can.
I guarantee you that if we had a capable manager and assistant manager in charge we’d have somewhat of a cohesive unit. It’s no coincidence we’ve had Butler and Schofield in charge and we’ve only had 3 complete performances all season, one of which was against Farsley who look absolutely terrible and will go down come the end of the season.
The squad does need work but most of this is down to Butler and Schofield who are both simply awful.
December 4, 2024 at 7:39 am #295116Deerey. I do agree that board interference is no good way to go, generally, but – desperate times, desperate measures.
The board made a mistake where the contracts were concerned. No real blame on them – but the football had already fallen away somewhat at that point and so they are not totally beyond criticism.
We are now in the middle of making the best of a pretty bad job.
I firmly believe that the evidence is stacked high that we must now abandon 5 at the back with this particular squad. The two do not go together.
If board interference is the only way to achieve that – then so be it.December 4, 2024 at 9:31 am #295118Isn’t bad. Isn’t poor – there’s an endorsement.
Its not Butler who cant pass the ball or score with a decent chance or makes defensive mistakes.
Butler just puts them in the wrong positions and formation.December 4, 2024 at 9:31 am #295119A Tom McWilliams knows non league well. His comments about many of our signings were very encouraging, he thought promotion was a given. What he couldn’t account for was the tactics of JD and seemingly the stubborness of AB.
The approach seems to be we started with a point and 7 defenders should retain it ! But of course it does not, people leave to someone else and then no one does the job !!
I do believe in one of Michelle’s interviews when asked about the contract extension she mentioned there were clauses in it – exactly what no idea but performance and league position may be in it with others.
December 4, 2024 at 9:38 am #295121We need a way of using the crowd to our advantage not inspiring to the opponents. Sadly the dull crap Butler has decided on sends us to sleep or keeps us away. Hoping to get a 1-0 worked for Tamworth it doesn’t work for us.
Spot on. Our manager has used Tamworth as the Blueprint, without considering the squad at his disposal or the fan base. So much so he even recruited specifically for the long throw. Surprised we haven’t found ourselves in a copyright lawsuit he’s done such a copy and paste job on their team. Grinding out 1-0 wins playing hoofball in front of their 800 fans at home, might have worked for a part-time Tamworth punching above their weight. But it doesn’t work here as a full-time outfit, with the highest budget in the league, playing in front of 3500 (and falling) fans who want to see some football being played.
Not sure I agree with our players being average though. Most NLN managers would be creaming their pants with our squad. We watched 10 out of 11 of our regular starters play last year under Dean, possession based football, with the ball on the ground. They were criticised for being too ‘tippy tappy’. Imagine that! Granted we lost the best footballer in the league who was probably more instrumental than many realised in getting the ball on the deck, calming play down and getting us passing, but that decision again, was seemingly part of Butlers master plan to turn us into Tamworth Mark 2.
It’s dreadful to watch and without action from the board any hope of promotion will be long gone, crowds will continue to drop like a stone and the ‘togetherness’ of last season will be but a distant memory, no matter how many ‘unity’ tag lines the club put out. At the moment the criticism is being reserved for the management but if the board allow this to continue much longer the goodwill will evaporate and the spotlight will turn to their decision making. Sad but true. Football is a fickle results-based business with little room for sentiment.
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December 4, 2024 at 9:39 am #295122Board interference is a big red line that should not be crossed; we’ve seen how that pans out before and completely undermines any present/future manager.
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December 4, 2024 at 9:50 am #295125Forget board interference, as Deerey and CBRP say, it never ends well. It’s as good as a vote of no confidence in the manager at which point the writing is on the wall and we should just part ways. Desperate times and desperate measures may be true Les but we do have the ability to eradicate the (main) problem by getting rid of the manager who is responsible for the formation, player selection (square pegs round holes) and the style of play. I’m convinced someone could make a fist of it with this team. No doubt there’s a cost involved in sacking Butler but is that cost greater than the revenue being lost by those no longer showing up to matches? I’d be surprised.
December 4, 2024 at 9:51 am #295126Take an example of a large company making widgets, a department wasn’t performing with reference to production and was reducing income. Do you think the manager’s department would continue without any input from his boss such as pull your finger out, these are our aims etc. I see no reason why a football club is any different.
December 4, 2024 at 9:51 am #295127If the board appointed a manager that shared their vision of promotion winning, attractive football but failed to deliver same then would reminding the manager of his agreed brief be “board interference”?
December 4, 2024 at 9:57 am #295128Reminding of the goals absolutely and I’m sure those conversations have already been happening between the board and Andy over the last few months since we’ve fallen off a cliff. Would the boss micro-manage the manager and tell him exactly how to achieve those goals? Probably not. If they aren’t capable of delivering the objectives, they would be sacked and replaced with someone who is.
December 4, 2024 at 10:18 am #295129Anyone think the Bored (sic) may just let the clock tick down and see where we are at the end of the season?
No promotion could well mean that we go part time and that we look to appoint a part time manager for next season?
To appoint a full time manager now and to have a ‘part time clause’ written in to a contract would surely make it more difficult to appoint the right man / woman?
Now that’s an idea… female head coach / manager?December 4, 2024 at 10:22 am #295130Anyone think the Bored (sic) may just let the clock tick down and see where we are at the end of the season?
The board’s aim (as stated by Michelle) is promotion. You don’t get promoted in December. So surely the aim indicates waiting until the very end of the season when promotion has been achieved – or not?
December 4, 2024 at 10:35 am #295131Regarding P/T – I think Scales signed for 25/26, Beck signed for 25/26 and there might be others. How practical would it be to have a mix of F/T and P/T in the squad?
December 4, 2024 at 10:58 am #295132Regarding P/T – I think Scales signed for 25/26, Beck signed for 25/26 and there might be others. How practical would it be to have a mix of F/T and P/T in the squad?
It may be that the club has projected that it’s able to sustain another year of F/T – and the whole ‘we HAVE to get promoted’ is actually more to do with the manager’s position? Do or die.
December 4, 2024 at 11:30 am #295134Regarding P/T – I think Scales signed for 25/26, Beck signed for 25/26 and there might be others. How practical would it be to have a mix of F/T and P/T in the squad?
PT clause written in if we aren’t promoted?
December 4, 2024 at 11:41 am #295135Just a matter of time before someone suggests it’s ‘all a ploy to stop us being promoted because we can’t afford it’ :)
December 4, 2024 at 12:35 pm #295137Can we afford not to would be my question.
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December 4, 2024 at 2:13 pm #295141Don’t see any reason for the football team to go part time, maybe if the crowds head south of 1500 for a full season but not until.
Everyone else at the club that’s a different matter, ticket office, shop not needed full time in reality to every other club down here with us you don’t need a ticket office it can all be done on line nowadays, cant imagine the restaurant pays its way other than a match day.
Football is our core product let’s concentrate on just that.December 4, 2024 at 2:48 pm #295143Best bet would be to get rid of Butler and Schofield and sign a new management team up on rolling contracts, which we used to do back in the day.
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December 4, 2024 at 3:01 pm #295145you don’t need a ticket office it can all be done on line nowadays
It can be, like with most things now in the digital domain.
Doesn’t mean it should be.
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